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The guild of girl flute-players, the quacks who sell drugs, | The guild of girl flute-players, the quacks who sell drugs, | ||
The beggars, the jesters, the actresses, all of that tribe | The beggars, the jesters, the actresses, all of that tribe | ||
Are sad: they grieve that the singer Tigellius has died: | Are sad: they grieve that the singer Tigellius has died: | ||
He was so generous they say. But this fellow over here, | He was so generous they say. But this fellow over here, | ||
Afraid of being a spendthrift, grudges his poor friend | Afraid of being a spendthrift, grudges his poor friend | ||
Whatever might stave off the pangs of hunger and cold. | Whatever might stave off the pangs of hunger and cold. | ||
And if you ask that man there why, in his greedy ingratitude, | And if you ask that man there why, in his greedy ingratitude, | ||
He’s squandering his father’s and grandfather’s noble estate | He’s squandering his father’s and grandfather’s noble estate | ||
Buying up gourmet foodstuffs with money he’s borrowed, | Buying up gourmet foodstuffs with money he’s borrowed, | ||
It’s so as not to be thought a mean-spirited miser. | It’s so as not to be thought a mean-spirited miser. | ||
By some men that’s praised and by others condemned. | By some men that’s praised and by others condemned. | ||
While Fufidius, rich in land and the money he’s lent, | While Fufidius, rich in land and the money he’s lent, | ||
Afraid of earning the name of a wastrel and spendthrift, | Afraid of earning the name of a wastrel and spendthrift, | ||
Charges sixty per cent per annum, docked in advance, | Charges sixty per cent per annum, docked in advance, | ||
And presses you harder the nearer you are to ruin. | And presses you harder the nearer you are to ruin. | ||
He gathers in debts from young men with harsh fathers | He gathers in debts from young men with harsh fathers | ||
Kids who’ve just taken to wearing the toga: ‘Great Jove’ | Kids who’ve just taken to wearing the toga: ‘Great Jove’ | ||
All cry on hearing it, ‘but surely he spends on himself | All cry on hearing it, ‘but surely he spends on himself | ||
In line with his earnings? Well, you’d scarcely believe | In line with his earnings? Well, you’d scarcely believe | ||
How bad a friend he is to himself. That father who exiled | How bad a friend he is to himself. That father who exiled | ||
His son, whom Terence’s play depicts as living so | His son, whom Terence’s play depicts as living so | ||
Wretchedly, never tortured himself more than he does. | Wretchedly, never tortured himself more than he does. | ||
f you ask now: ‘What’s your point in all this? Well, | f you ask now: ‘What’s your point in all this? Well, | ||
In avoiding one vice a fool rushes into its opposite. | In avoiding one vice a fool rushes into its opposite. | ||
Maltinus ambles around with his tunic hanging down: | Maltinus ambles around with his tunic hanging down: | ||
Another, a dandy, hoists his obscenely up to his crotch. | Another, a dandy, hoists his obscenely up to his crotch. | ||
Rufillus smells of lozenges, and Gargonius of goat. | Rufillus smells of lozenges, and Gargonius of goat. | ||
There’s no happy medium. Some will only touch women | There’s no happy medium. Some will only touch women | ||
Whose ankles are hidden beneath a wife’s flounces: | Whose ankles are hidden beneath a wife’s flounces: | ||
Another only those who frequent stinking brothels. | Another only those who frequent stinking brothels. | ||
Seeing someone he knew exit from one, Cato’s | Seeing someone he knew exit from one, Cato’s | ||
Noble words were: ‘A blessing on all your doings, since | Noble words were: ‘A blessing on all your doings, since | ||
It’s fine when shameful lust swells youngsters’ veins | It’s fine when shameful lust swells youngsters’ veins | ||
For them to wander down here, and not mess around | For them to wander down here, and not mess around | ||
With other men’s wives.’ ‘I’d hate to be praised for that,’ | With other men’s wives.’ ‘I’d hate to be praised for that,’ | ||
Says Cupiennius though, an admirer of white-robed snatch. | Says Cupiennius though, an admirer of white-robed snatch. | ||
If you wish bad luck on adulterers, it’s worth your while | If you wish bad luck on adulterers, it’s worth your while | ||
To listen how they struggle in every direction, | To listen how they struggle in every direction, | ||
And how their pleasure is marred by plenty of pain, | And how their pleasure is marred by plenty of pain, | ||
And how in the midst of cruel dangers it’s rarely won. | And how in the midst of cruel dangers it’s rarely won. | ||
One man leaps from a roof: another, flogged, is hurt | One man leaps from a roof: another, flogged, is hurt | ||
To the point of death: another in flight falls in with | To the point of death: another in flight falls in with | ||
A gang of fierce robbers: a fourth pays gold for his life, | A gang of fierce robbers: a fourth pays gold for his life, | ||
A fifth’s done over by lads, it’s even happened | A fifth’s done over by lads, it’s even happened | ||
That a husband with a sword’s reaped the lover’s | That a husband with a sword’s reaped the lover’s | ||
Lusty cock and balls. ‘Legal’ all cried: Galba dissenting. | Lusty cock and balls. ‘Legal’ all cried: Galba dissenting. | ||
How much safer it is to trade in second class wares, | How much safer it is to trade in second class wares, | ||
I mean with freedwomen, whom Sallust runs after | I mean with freedwomen, whom Sallust runs after | ||
As insanely as any adulterer. Yet if he wished | As insanely as any adulterer. Yet if he wished | ||
To be kind and generous in accord with his means, | To be kind and generous in accord with his means, | ||
With reason’s prompting, as modest liberality allows, | With reason’s prompting, as modest liberality allows, | ||
He’d give just enough, not what meant shame and ruin | He’d give just enough, not what meant shame and ruin | ||
For himself. But no he hugs himself and admires himself | For himself. But no he hugs himself and admires himself | ||
And praises himself for it, because: ‘I never touch wives.’ | And praises himself for it, because: ‘I never touch wives.’ | ||
As Marsaeus, Origo’s lover, who gave the house and farm | As Marsaeus, Origo’s lover, who gave the house and farm | ||
He inherited to an actress, once said: ‘May I never | He inherited to an actress, once said: ‘May I never | ||
Have anything to do with other men’s wives.’ | Have anything to do with other men’s wives.’ | ||
But you have with prostitutes and actresses, and so | But you have with prostitutes and actresses, and so | ||
Your reputation suffers more than your wealth. Or | Your reputation suffers more than your wealth. Or | ||
Is it enough for you to avoid the tag, but not what | Is it enough for you to avoid the tag, but not what | ||
Causes harm on every side? To throw away a good name, | Causes harm on every side? To throw away a good name, | ||
And squander an inheritance, is always wicked. | And squander an inheritance, is always wicked. | ||
What matter whether you sin with a wife or a whore? | What matter whether you sin with a wife or a whore? | ||
Villius, Sulla’s ‘son-in-law’, suffered enough and more | Villius, Sulla’s ‘son-in-law’, suffered enough and more | ||
Because of Fausta – he, poor wretch, deceived by her name – | Because of Fausta – he, poor wretch, deceived by her name – | ||
He was punched, and attacked with a sword, and shown | He was punched, and attacked with a sword, and shown | ||
The door, while his rival Longarenus was there inside. | The door, while his rival Longarenus was there inside. | ||
In the face of such problems if a man’s lust were to say: | In the face of such problems if a man’s lust were to say: | ||
‘What are you up to? In all my wildness did I ever insist | ‘What are you up to? In all my wildness did I ever insist | ||
On a cunt in a robe descended from some mighty consul?’ | On a cunt in a robe descended from some mighty consul?’ | ||
Would he really reply: ‘But she’s a great man’s daughter.’ | Would he really reply: ‘But she’s a great man’s daughter.’ | ||
If you’d only manage things sensibly, and not confuse | If you’d only manage things sensibly, and not confuse | ||
What’s desirable with what hurts you, how much wiser | What’s desirable with what hurts you, how much wiser | ||
The opposite advice Nature, rich in her own wealth, gives. | The opposite advice Nature, rich in her own wealth, gives. | ||
Do you think it’s irrelevant whether your problems | Do you think it’s irrelevant whether your problems | ||
Are your fault or fate’s? Stop angling for wives if you don’t | Are your fault or fate’s? Stop angling for wives if you don’t | ||
Want to be sorry, Your more likely to gain from it pain | Want to be sorry, Your more likely to gain from it pain | ||
And effort, rather than reaping the fruits of delight. | And effort, rather than reaping the fruits of delight. | ||
Cerinthus, her leg is no straighter, her thigh no softer, | Cerinthus, her leg is no straighter, her thigh no softer, | ||
Among emeralds or snowy pearls, whatever you think, | Among emeralds or snowy pearls, whatever you think, | ||
And it’s often better still with a girl in a cloak. | And it’s often better still with a girl in a cloak. | ||
At least she offers her goods without disguise, shows | At least she offers her goods without disguise, shows | ||
What she has for sale openly, won’t boast and flaunt | What she has for sale openly, won’t boast and flaunt | ||
Whatever charms she has, while hiding her faults. | Whatever charms she has, while hiding her faults. | ||
It’s like rich men buying horses: they inspect them | It’s like rich men buying horses: they inspect them | ||
When they’re blanketed, so that if, as often happens, | When they’re blanketed, so that if, as often happens, | ||
The hoof supporting a beautiful form is tender, the buyer | The hoof supporting a beautiful form is tender, the buyer | ||
Gazing isn’t misled by fine haunches, long neck, small head. | Gazing isn’t misled by fine haunches, long neck, small head. | ||
In this they’re wise: don’t study her bodily graces | In this they’re wise: don’t study her bodily graces | ||
With Lynceus’ eyes, yet blinder than Hypseae | With Lynceus’ eyes, yet blinder than Hypseae | ||
Ignore her imperfections. ‘Oh, what legs, what arms!’ True, | Ignore her imperfections. ‘Oh, what legs, what arms!’ True, | ||
But she’s narrow-hipped, long-nosed: short waist, big feet. | But she’s narrow-hipped, long-nosed: short waist, big feet. | ||
With a wife you can only get to see her face: | With a wife you can only get to see her face: | ||
Unless she’s a Catia long robes hide the rest. | Unless she’s a Catia long robes hide the rest. | ||
If you want what’s forbidden (since that is what excites you), | If you want what’s forbidden (since that is what excites you), | ||
What walls protect, there’s a host of things in your way, | What walls protect, there’s a host of things in your way, | ||
Bodyguards, closed litters, hairdressers, hangers-on, | Bodyguards, closed litters, hairdressers, hangers-on, | ||
A dress-hem down to her ankles, a robe on top, | A dress-hem down to her ankles, a robe on top, | ||
A thousand things that stop you gaining an open view. | A thousand things that stop you gaining an open view. | ||
With the other type, no problem: You can see her almost | With the other type, no problem: You can see her almost | ||
Naked in Coan silk, no sign there of bad legs or ugly feet: | Naked in Coan silk, no sign there of bad legs or ugly feet: | ||
And check her out with your eyes. Or would you rather | And check her out with your eyes. Or would you rather | ||
Be tricked, parted from your cash before the goods are | Be tricked, parted from your cash before the goods are | ||
Revealed? Callimachus says how ‘the hunter chases | Revealed? Callimachus says how ‘the hunter chases | ||
The hare through deep snow, but won’t touch it at rest’, | The hare through deep snow, but won’t touch it at rest’, | ||
Adding: ‘That’s what my love is like, since it flies past | Adding: ‘That’s what my love is like, since it flies past | ||
What’s near, and only chases after what runs away.’ | What’s near, and only chases after what runs away.’ | ||
Do you hope with such verses as those to keep | Do you hope with such verses as those to keep | ||
Pain, passion, and a weight of care from your heart? | Pain, passion, and a weight of care from your heart? | ||
Wouldn’t it be better to ask what boundaries Nature | Wouldn’t it be better to ask what boundaries Nature | ||
Sets to desire, what privations she can stand and what | Sets to desire, what privations she can stand and what | ||
Will grieve her, and so distinguish solid from void? | Will grieve her, and so distinguish solid from void? | ||
Do you ask for a golden cup when you’re dying | Do you ask for a golden cup when you’re dying | ||
Of thirst? Do you scorn all but peacock, or turbot | Of thirst? Do you scorn all but peacock, or turbot | ||
When you’re starving? When your prick swells, then, | When you’re starving? When your prick swells, then, | ||
And a young slave girl or boy’s nearby you could take | And a young slave girl or boy’s nearby you could take | ||
At that instant, would you rather burst with desire? | At that instant, would you rather burst with desire? | ||
Not I: I love the sexual pleasure that’s easy to get. | Not I: I love the sexual pleasure that’s easy to get. | ||
‘Wait a bit’, ‘More cash’, ‘If my husband’s away’, that girl’s | ‘Wait a bit’, ‘More cash’, ‘If my husband’s away’, that girl’s | ||
For the priests, Philodemus says: requesting, himself, | For the priests, Philodemus says: requesting, himself, | ||
One who’s not too dear, or slow to come when she’s told. | One who’s not too dear, or slow to come when she’s told. | ||
She should be fair and poised: dressed so as not to try | She should be fair and poised: dressed so as not to try | ||
To seem taller or whiter of skin than nature made her. | To seem taller or whiter of skin than nature made her. | ||
When a girl like that slips her left thigh under my right, | When a girl like that slips her left thigh under my right, | ||
She’s Ilia or Egeria: I name her however I choose, | She’s Ilia or Egeria: I name her however I choose, | ||
No fear, while I fuck, of husbands back from the country, | No fear, while I fuck, of husbands back from the country, | ||
Doors bursting, dogs howling, the whole house echoing | Doors bursting, dogs howling, the whole house echoing | ||
With the sound of his knocking, the girl deathly pale, | With the sound of his knocking, the girl deathly pale, | ||
Leaping the bed, her knowing maid shouting afraid | Leaping the bed, her knowing maid shouting afraid | ||
For her limbs, the adulteress for her dowry, I for myself. | For her limbs, the adulteress for her dowry, I for myself. | ||
Nor, clothes awry, of having to flee bare-foot, scared | Nor, clothes awry, of having to flee bare-foot, scared | ||
For my cash, my skin, or at the very least my reputation. | For my cash, my skin, or at the very least my reputation. | ||
It’s bad news to be caught: even with Fabio judging. | It’s bad news to be caught: even with Fabio judging. | ||
</poem> | </poem> | ||
Revision as of 12:20, 28 May 2008
| 1. On Discontent | Satires ~ I, 2. On Extremism written by Horace |
3. On Tolerance |
| Translation by A. S. Kline. | Link to further information |
The guild of girl flute-players, the quacks who sell drugs,
The beggars, the jesters, the actresses, all of that tribe
Are sad: they grieve that the singer Tigellius has died:
He was so generous they say. But this fellow over here,
Afraid of being a spendthrift, grudges his poor friend
Whatever might stave off the pangs of hunger and cold.
And if you ask that man there why, in his greedy ingratitude,
He’s squandering his father’s and grandfather’s noble estate
Buying up gourmet foodstuffs with money he’s borrowed,
It’s so as not to be thought a mean-spirited miser.
By some men that’s praised and by others condemned.
While Fufidius, rich in land and the money he’s lent,
Afraid of earning the name of a wastrel and spendthrift,
Charges sixty per cent per annum, docked in advance,
And presses you harder the nearer you are to ruin.
He gathers in debts from young men with harsh fathers
Kids who’ve just taken to wearing the toga: ‘Great Jove’
All cry on hearing it, ‘but surely he spends on himself
In line with his earnings? Well, you’d scarcely believe
How bad a friend he is to himself. That father who exiled
His son, whom Terence’s play depicts as living so
Wretchedly, never tortured himself more than he does.
f you ask now: ‘What’s your point in all this? Well,
In avoiding one vice a fool rushes into its opposite.
Maltinus ambles around with his tunic hanging down:
Another, a dandy, hoists his obscenely up to his crotch.
Rufillus smells of lozenges, and Gargonius of goat.
There’s no happy medium. Some will only touch women
Whose ankles are hidden beneath a wife’s flounces:
Another only those who frequent stinking brothels.
Seeing someone he knew exit from one, Cato’s
Noble words were: ‘A blessing on all your doings, since
It’s fine when shameful lust swells youngsters’ veins
For them to wander down here, and not mess around
With other men’s wives.’ ‘I’d hate to be praised for that,’
Says Cupiennius though, an admirer of white-robed snatch.
If you wish bad luck on adulterers, it’s worth your while
To listen how they struggle in every direction,
And how their pleasure is marred by plenty of pain,
And how in the midst of cruel dangers it’s rarely won.
One man leaps from a roof: another, flogged, is hurt
To the point of death: another in flight falls in with
A gang of fierce robbers: a fourth pays gold for his life,
A fifth’s done over by lads, it’s even happened
That a husband with a sword’s reaped the lover’s
Lusty cock and balls. ‘Legal’ all cried: Galba dissenting.
How much safer it is to trade in second class wares,
I mean with freedwomen, whom Sallust runs after
As insanely as any adulterer. Yet if he wished
To be kind and generous in accord with his means,
With reason’s prompting, as modest liberality allows,
He’d give just enough, not what meant shame and ruin
For himself. But no he hugs himself and admires himself
And praises himself for it, because: ‘I never touch wives.’
As Marsaeus, Origo’s lover, who gave the house and farm
He inherited to an actress, once said: ‘May I never
Have anything to do with other men’s wives.’
But you have with prostitutes and actresses, and so
Your reputation suffers more than your wealth. Or
Is it enough for you to avoid the tag, but not what
Causes harm on every side? To throw away a good name,
And squander an inheritance, is always wicked.
What matter whether you sin with a wife or a whore?
Villius, Sulla’s ‘son-in-law’, suffered enough and more
Because of Fausta – he, poor wretch, deceived by her name –
He was punched, and attacked with a sword, and shown
The door, while his rival Longarenus was there inside.
In the face of such problems if a man’s lust were to say:
‘What are you up to? In all my wildness did I ever insist
On a cunt in a robe descended from some mighty consul?’
Would he really reply: ‘But she’s a great man’s daughter.’
If you’d only manage things sensibly, and not confuse
What’s desirable with what hurts you, how much wiser
The opposite advice Nature, rich in her own wealth, gives.
Do you think it’s irrelevant whether your problems
Are your fault or fate’s? Stop angling for wives if you don’t
Want to be sorry, Your more likely to gain from it pain
And effort, rather than reaping the fruits of delight.
Cerinthus, her leg is no straighter, her thigh no softer,
Among emeralds or snowy pearls, whatever you think,
And it’s often better still with a girl in a cloak.
At least she offers her goods without disguise, shows
What she has for sale openly, won’t boast and flaunt
Whatever charms she has, while hiding her faults.
It’s like rich men buying horses: they inspect them
When they’re blanketed, so that if, as often happens,
The hoof supporting a beautiful form is tender, the buyer
Gazing isn’t misled by fine haunches, long neck, small head.
In this they’re wise: don’t study her bodily graces
With Lynceus’ eyes, yet blinder than Hypseae
Ignore her imperfections. ‘Oh, what legs, what arms!’ True,
But she’s narrow-hipped, long-nosed: short waist, big feet.
With a wife you can only get to see her face:
Unless she’s a Catia long robes hide the rest.
If you want what’s forbidden (since that is what excites you),
What walls protect, there’s a host of things in your way,
Bodyguards, closed litters, hairdressers, hangers-on,
A dress-hem down to her ankles, a robe on top,
A thousand things that stop you gaining an open view.
With the other type, no problem: You can see her almost
Naked in Coan silk, no sign there of bad legs or ugly feet:
And check her out with your eyes. Or would you rather
Be tricked, parted from your cash before the goods are
Revealed? Callimachus says how ‘the hunter chases
The hare through deep snow, but won’t touch it at rest’,
Adding: ‘That’s what my love is like, since it flies past
What’s near, and only chases after what runs away.’
Do you hope with such verses as those to keep
Pain, passion, and a weight of care from your heart?
Wouldn’t it be better to ask what boundaries Nature
Sets to desire, what privations she can stand and what
Will grieve her, and so distinguish solid from void?
Do you ask for a golden cup when you’re dying
Of thirst? Do you scorn all but peacock, or turbot
When you’re starving? When your prick swells, then,
And a young slave girl or boy’s nearby you could take
At that instant, would you rather burst with desire?
Not I: I love the sexual pleasure that’s easy to get.
‘Wait a bit’, ‘More cash’, ‘If my husband’s away’, that girl’s
For the priests, Philodemus says: requesting, himself,
One who’s not too dear, or slow to come when she’s told.
She should be fair and poised: dressed so as not to try
To seem taller or whiter of skin than nature made her.
When a girl like that slips her left thigh under my right,
She’s Ilia or Egeria: I name her however I choose,
No fear, while I fuck, of husbands back from the country,
Doors bursting, dogs howling, the whole house echoing
With the sound of his knocking, the girl deathly pale,
Leaping the bed, her knowing maid shouting afraid
For her limbs, the adulteress for her dowry, I for myself.
Nor, clothes awry, of having to flee bare-foot, scared
For my cash, my skin, or at the very least my reputation.
It’s bad news to be caught: even with Fabio judging.
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