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| ==2009==
| | :[[Wikilivres:Possible copyright violations/Archives]] (2009–2011) |
| *[[中国自由民主和法治的开端与挫败——2002年9月25日在南京大学历史系的报告]] is unlikely a manifesto with no permission to post and no verifiable source via the web.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 02:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
| | :[[Wikilivres:Possible copyright violations/Archives 2012]] |
| **'''Deleted''' as the contributor never answered.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 01:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
| | :[[Wikilivres:Possible copyright violations/Archives 2013–2014]] |
| *[[《德国之声》关注大陆无法出版的《大脚印儿》]] from [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4563108,00.html], [[德国之声 北京学者谈毛泽东]] from [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3632529,00.html?maca=chi-huashangbao_chinesetopstories-45-rdf], [[德国之声：就冰点停刊采访中青政治学院新闻系主任和台湾龙应台女士]] from [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1874754,00.html], [[德国之声：鲍彤访谈录]] from [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3075913,00.html], [[李大同：新闻人仍然“带着镣铐跳舞]] from [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3031846,00.html], [[贺卫方：就“邓玉娇案”一审判决答德国之声记者问]] from [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4330869,00.html], [[就許志永取保候審採訪滕彪律師]] from [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4594656,00.html] are not manifestos with no permission to post. I just verified other Chinese articles from that website to have permission to post under [[:Category:德国之声中文广播]] (dw-world.de in Chinese).--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 02:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| **I can't verify myself, but please delete all works which are not in the public domain or under a free license. [[User:Yann|Yann]] 13:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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| **'''Deleted''' as the contributor never answered.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 01:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
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| *[[李大同談百姓對中國官方宣傳的反應]] from [http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4716531,00.html] is not a manifesto with no permission to post.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 03:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
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| **'''Deleted'''.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 02:18, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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| *[[同美国记者斯诺的谈话]] from [http://www.ayxdj.gov.cn/ReadNews.asp?NewsID=10286] does not look like a manifesto while Mao Zedong died in 1976 and the American reporter Edgar Snow died in 1972.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 02:41, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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| **'''Deleted'''.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 02:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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| === [[Letters from the Earth]] ===
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| *[[Letters from the Earth]] was posthumously published in 1962 whose author Mark Twain died in 1910. It will remain copyrighted in Canada through 2012.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 02:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
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| ::I'm not quite sure: how many years are these works (in fact: ''editio princeps'') protected? I thought 25 years after the publishing - ? [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 05:48, 12 May 2010 (UTC) - - - Just a moment, it is not the edition princeps. Sorry. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 06:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC) - - - It's a bit complicated. The Canadian law seems to be quite different from the "editio princeps" law in European Union (see [[:en.wp:Publication right]]). [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 06:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC) | |
| :::That was posthumously published in 1962 in the USA with copyright renewed there, so it will remain copyrighted in the USA through 2057, thus Canadian law applies here with no rule of the shorter term applicable. The Canadian posthumous copyright is very different from the European Union. [[Help:Public domain]] suggests that pre-1997 posthumous works are copyrighted for 50 years since publication til year end. Then 1962+50= 2012. If no permission in Canada, just wait for about 31 months then this work can be hosted here again. See also [[en.ws:Wikisource:Possible_copyright_violations/Archives/2009-12#Letters_from_the_Earth]].--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 01:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::OK, I deleted this page. It could be undeleted in 2013. [[User:Yann|Yann]] 14:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
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| === Je voudrais pas crever === | | == [[Путин должен уйти]]== |
| *[[Je voudrais pas crever]], [[Je voudrais pas crever (poème)]], and [[Quand j’aurai du vent dans mon crâne]] by French writer, poet and musician [[Boris Vian]] who died in 1959 were posthumously published in 1962. If France is the source country, it is still copyrighted there, then Canadian term applies. I am afraid that we have to wait for 2013 if no permission in Canada.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 03:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
| | No licence shown. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 17:24, 29 April 2015 (PDT) |
| :Yes you are right, but I am not entirely agree. The poems of Boris Vian were also songs that were publicly widely performed by himself (and others)<ref group="Jv">The influence of Je voudrais pas crever
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| The book has proven inspirational for many French artists, especially singers. Serge Reggiani, one of the most influential French chansonniers of the 1960s, sang Boris Vian songs and also recorded Je voudrais pas crever.</ref> in his lifetime. A public performance normally means a publication [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html see here] :<br/> “Publication” is the distribution of copies or phonorecords of a work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending. The offering to distribute copies or phonorecords to a group of persons for purposes of further distribution, '''public performance''', or public display, constitutes publication. A public performance or display of a work does not of itself constitute publication.<br/>To perform or display a work “publicly” means — <br/>(1) to perform or display it at a place open to the public or at any place where a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances is gathered; or<br/>(2) to transmit or otherwise communicate a performance or display of the work to a place specified by clause (1) or to the public, by means of any device or process, whether the members of the public capable of receiving the performance or display receive it in the same place or in separate places and at the same time or at different times.<br/>[[User:Dmitrismirnov|Dmitrismirnov]] 09:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
| | ==[[Mahatma Gandhi, the man who became one with the universal being]]== |
| <references group="Jv" /> | | [[User:Eclecticology]] tagged it with [[MediaWiki:Orphan]] because although the original author [[Romain Rolland]] is in the PD in Canada (having died in 1944), this work is translated by [http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AGroth%2C+Catherine+Daae%2C&qt=hot_author Catherine D. Groth] and I can't find her death date. For what it's worth, she published in the 1900s through 1940s, so it seems likely that her work is PD by now. Does anyone else have any leads? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 16:20, 2 May 2015 (PDT) |
| ::Concerning the Canadian law it would probably be good to find the difference between ''public performance'' and ''performer's performance'' as discussed [http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-42/page-2.html#anchorbo-ga:l_II here]. I'm really not sure about this. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 10:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC) | | :'''Update''' She was evidently [http://viaf.org/viaf/286590497/#Groth,_Catherine_D.,_1888- born in 1888]. Again, very likely that she's PD by now. What does everyone else think? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 16:21, 2 May 2015 (PDT) |
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| | ::I essentially agree. That was part of my thinking for drafting [[:MediaWiki:Orphan]]. It covers those situations where there is a high probability but no certainty of being PD. I accept the minimal legal risk associated with such pages. (I still haven't figured out how to make that notice blue like the other PD templates.) [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 16:59, 2 May 2015 (PDT) |
| | :::'''Styling''' It has the blue background and semi-copyright picture with it now but I wonder why you made it in the MediaWiki namespace. Is it just so casual users can't edit it? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 20:46, 2 May 2015 (PDT) |
| | ::::Thanks for the fix. In using the Template and Mediawiki I was following practices that predate my involvement with the site. My understanding is that simplifies the internationalization process. I'm quite flexible on this if you think it can be improved. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 01:25, 3 May 2015 (PDT) |
| | :::::If she was born in 1888, i tis entirely possible that she lived until at least age 78 hence died in 1966 or later.--[[User:Poetlister|<font color="green">Poetlister</font>]] 14:44, 13 February 2016 (PST) |
| | ::::::'''Good faith''' I think that we've made good faith efforts and while it is possible that her work is still in copyright, it's not likely. I feel good about keeping this here. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 19:33, 13 February 2016 (PST) |
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| Since this has been hanging here for so long, and the stated period is due to expire at the end of this year anyway, I'm inclined to let these stay. But nothing more from thiuis collection should be added before the end of the year. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 02:48, 22 May 2012 (EDT)
| | == Works by [[Marcel-Paul Schützenberger]] == |
| | The author died in 1996, so they are still copyrighted. [[User:Electron|''''' Electron''''' '''ツ''']][[User talk:Electron| <span style="color: black">➧</span><span style="color: #800000">'''☎'''</span>]] 07:45, 29 February 2016 (PST) |
| | :'''Deleted'''.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 18:07, 23 April 2016 (PDT) |
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| === [[Structure of knowledge (Kouznetsov)]] === | | == Works by [[Stéphane Lupasco]] == |
| Hello, I wonder why this would be in the public domain in Canada. Any idea? [[User:Yann|Yann]] 11:47, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
| | The author died in 1988, so they are still copyrighted. [[User:Electron|''''' Electron''''' '''ツ''']][[User talk:Electron| <span style="color: black">➧</span><span style="color: #800000">'''☎'''</span>]] 07:45, 29 February 2016 (PST) |
| | :'''Deleted'''.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 18:07, 23 April 2016 (PDT) |
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| :Neither the English source nor the Russian one say something about PD or CC, thus copyrighted, I guess. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 23:29, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
| | == [[Principes élémentaires de philosophie]] == |
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| :: http://www.ils.uec.ac.jp/~dima/PAPERS/ cites
| | The first paragraph ''Biographie de Georges Politzer'' was written by Georges Cogniot (1901-1978), next ''Préface'' was written by Maurice Le Goas (1901-1989); so they are still copyrighted and should be deleted from the work.[[User:Electron|''''' Electron''''' '''ツ''']][[User talk:Electron| <span style="color: black">➧</span><span style="color: #800000">'''☎'''</span>]] 09:38, 1 March 2016 (PST) |
| :: http://www.ils.uec.ac.jp/~dima/PAPERS/2010mestoelic.txt that reads:
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| ::: By this document I confirm that I know that my article entitled
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| ::: "Place of science in the human knowledge"
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| ::: http://www.ils.uec.ac.jp/~dima/PAPERS/2010mestoe.pdf
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| ::: is used in the derivative works
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| ::: "Knowledge" posted at http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Knowledge
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| ::: "Structure of knowledge"
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| ::: http://wikilivres.info/wiki/Structure_of_knowledge_%28Kouznetsov%29
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| ::: and I allow its free use and modification while the original
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| ::: 2010 July 1, Dmirtrii Kouznetsov.
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| :: This allows not only to keep (and mofidy) the English version discucced, but also to load the Russian version. [[User:Domitori|Domitori]] 02:14, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| :::OK. But: the source given here in Wikilivres (...2010mestoe.pdf) gives no hints on the matter (and that was why this question arosed here), further, the copy in Wikilivres and in the source (...2010mestoe.pdf - which is copyrighted) is not identical (thus should not be given here as source); the two sources given in ...2010mestoelic.txt are Wikilivres and en.citizendium.org, so that the source given in Wikilivres should probably be en.citizendium.org (if they are identical); the licence in Wikilivres should be notified (although I do not know if we use copyleft or something similar like GFDL or CC-BY-...), then it will be OK. [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 08:21, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| :::: I think, any of GFDL, CC-BY-... is suitable for wikilivres; but where to put it, to the main text? [[User:Domitori|Domitori]] 10:42, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Probably CC-BY-SA would be OK. But first this should be cleared: what is the source of the text published now in Wikilivres? As far as I can see this is the only one derivated version, even the another "free" text on http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Knowledge differs from the text here. The source that is given now (http://www.ils.uec.ac.jp/~dima/PAPERS/2010mestoe.pdf) cannot be a source as the text there differs much more from that one here and more over - the text is copyrighted. The problem is: Wikilivres cannot be the source for Wikilivres :-)... Might be somebody else will help here with a opinion - can Wikilivres publish a not formerly published derivated text although the author allows it?? Let us wait a bit, [[User:-jkb-|-jkb-]] 11:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| All the Kuznetsov material seems to have unclear licensing. Even when derivatives are allowed the "BY" aspect of a CC licence suggests that we be able to trace a text to its origins. Any modifications to that text should not operate to misrepresent the intentions of the original writer; responsibility for any derivatives should be made clear. I propose to delete all Kuznetsove material that does not have clear licensing. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 13:54, 22 May 2012 (EDT)
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| Written in 1934 by an author who died in 1988 without copyright permission, along with [[边城/卷00]], [[边城/卷01]], [[边城/卷02]], [[边城/卷03]], [[边城/卷04]], [[边城/卷05]], [[边城/卷06]], [[边城/卷07]], [[边城/卷08]]. I asked the contributor for any proof of licensing.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 23:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| *'''Deleted all'''.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 22:04, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
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| === [[Les Montagnes hallucinées]] ===
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| [[Jacques Papy]] est né en 1908, et était actif dans les années 60. [[User:Marc|Marc]] 11:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
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| :http://lccn.loc.gov/74860963 suggests that he was still active in 1970. Thus Papy's work will not be in the public domain before 2021, and it could be later. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 02:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Yes, we have to delete this work. [[User:Yann|Yann]] 05:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
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| ==2011==
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| ===All works tagged [[Template:宣言]] and [[Template:中国大陆宣言]]===
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| These Chinese "public" manifestos are without evident copyright licenses while many Chinese users disrespect copyright laws. Even English Wikisource strictly controls what can be brought here and tagged [[Template:Manifesto]]. I am holding a remote discussion at [[zh.ws:Wikisource:加拿大Wikilivres#遙控提刪]].--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 02:19, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
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| === [[La Ferme des animaux]] ===
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| Traduit par Jean Queval (1913-1990). [[User:Marc|Marc]] 06:54, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
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| :'''Delete''' if no copyright permission for the French translation.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 13:18, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
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| :Oh bad! Where did you find this information? [[User:Yann|Yann]] 11:55, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
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| ::I have a french edition of this book and the text is the same. See wikipedia for [[fr.wp:Jean Queval]]. ebooksgratuits is not always reliable and it seems [[1984]] must be deleted too. [[User:Marc|Marc]] 04:31, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
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| :::'''Deleted'''. For [[1984]], I could find the translator's date of death, so I would keep it unless the editor complains. [[User:Yann|Yann]] 15:55, 6 May 2011 (EDT)
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| === [[Anna Akhmatova]] ===
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| Morte en 1966. Placer ses traductions sous licence creative commons pourrait bien aussi être un abus. [[User:Marc|Marc]] 09:13, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
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| :I do not think that we need to delete this page completely. There are plenty of her work written and published before 1933. What about these? and in 5 years she will be PD Canada...[[User:Dmitrismirnov|Dmitrismirnov]] 13:09, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
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| ::I don’t understand what you mean by « before 1933 ». It seems to me that it is forbiden to publish here works of authors died since less than 50 years. [[User:Marc|Marc]]
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| :::Sorry, I mean "published before 1st of January 1923" - that is in PD in USA [[User:Dmitrismirnov|Dmitrismirnov]] 07:12, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
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| ::::These texts must be deleted and published on wikisource, in this case. [[User:Marc|Marc]] 06:48, 20 April 2011 (EDT) | |
| :::::Yes, it would be possible to publish such texts in English on English Wikisource. However we can't publish these Russian texts on Russian wikisource, because Russian wikisource follows the law of Russian Federation that differs from the US law. They do not accept "published before 1st of January 1923" as PD. But here in Wikilivres, as I think, it is possible. And we have to ask Yann for his opinion on this matter. [[User:Dmitrismirnov|Dmitrismirnov]] 10:16, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
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| ::::::This is too bad that we can’t publish these texts on Russian wikisource. But it is impossible to publish here authors who died since less than 50 years, because Canadian laws are the rules we must follow on Wikilivres. [[User:Marc|Marc]] 06:21, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
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| : Pre-1917 works published in Russia are not protected under Canadian copyright since Russian empire was not a "treaty country" (see article 5. (1) of the Copyright Act and [[commons:Template:PD-RusEmpire]]). --[[User:M5|M5]] 16:37, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
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| ::Well, works published before 1917 must be published on Wikisource. But we are talking about authors who died after 1960 ; they have often published between 1917 and 1960... [[User:Marc|Marc]] 03:31, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
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| ::: Akhmatova's first three books were published before 1917. Therefore we should keep the author's page and remove only post-1917 works. --[[User:M5|M5]] 05:24, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
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| :::: Ok, then, we should do that. [[User:Marc|Marc]] 04:58, 24 April 2011 (EDT)
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| :::::Old Wikisource can provisionally host works that are unacceptable here and Russian Wikisource, i.e. pre-1923 and still copyright-restricted in Canada and Russia.--[[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]] 22:45, 9 April 2012 (EDT)
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| :'''Keep''' Under the old Soviet law Akhmatova's works went into the public domain at the end of 1991. The changes that went into effect in 1992 were not applied retroactively. Retroactivity was introduced with the 1993 law. This raises an interesting question about the application of the Canadian rule of the shorter term. I would argue that her works went into the Canadian public domain at the end of 1991 too. The Canadian copyright status was established at that time. A later Russian law to impose retroactivity would have no effect in Canada. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 16:43, 22 May 2012 (EDT)
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| ===[[en.wp:Herbert M. Shelton|Herbert M. Shelton]], 1895-1985 [[Герберт Шелтон. Ортотрофия: основы правильного питания]]===
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| This is a double breach of rights of the author and translator: Russian publication 1992. (Ортотрофия : Основы правильного питания /Пер. с англ. и предисл. Л. Владимирского.— М. : Мол. гвардия, 1992. — 351 [1] с, ил.—) [[User:Dmitrismirnov|Dmitrismirnov]] 08:48, 23 May 2011 (EDT)
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| :'''Deleted'''. [[User:Yann|Yann]] 15:22, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
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| The original French is clearly in the public domain, but the translator, [[Katherine Woods]] died in 1968.
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| For [[Маленький принц]] and [[Письмо заложнику]] the translator [[Nora Gal]] died in 1991.
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| For the Spanish [[El Principito]] and the Interlingua [[Le Parve Prince]] the translators appear to still be alive. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 05:18, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
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| [[Der Kleine Prinz]] had two translators. Grete Leitgeb died in 2002 (age 99). This translation will not be in the public domain in Canada until 2053, 2073 in the European Union. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 14:20, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
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| ===Works of [[Мамедов, Джаббар Манаф оглы]]===
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| This material is taken from a 2010 publication with no indication that the author has granted a free licence. [[User:Eclecticology|Eclecticology]] 13:36, 15 May 2012 (EDT)
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| : [[Является ли c=const доказанным?]] written by [[Мамедов, Джаббар Манаф оглы]] - I deleted the last page by your request, but probably here is no copyright violation if the author inteded to publish it here under FREE license. We need to discuss this with the user who placed this article. [[User:Dmitrismirnov|Dmitrismirnov]] 13:50, 15 May 2012 (EDT)
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