Wikilivres:Community Portal/en/Archive2010

Indeces

I have created two index-pages: Index:Sværmerer.djvu and Index:I Æventyrland.djvu. For both of these I use the <pagelist />-tag, and it yields a pagelist, but when I click any of the individual pages, I don't see the page. What is wrong? V85 13:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

This bug is known if not understood. You can try this: create files for each page, like [[File:Sværmerer.djvu|page=1|570px]] and when you preview it you see the image. Does it work for you? Not very satisfactory but better than nothing. --Zephyrus 17:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Automated copyright licenses

As I have made automated copyright licenses on Chinese and English Wikisources and Wikimedia Commons, I am bringing Template:PD-posthumous from English Wikisource soon after importing a few posthumous works in the Canadian but not American public domain. Next, I would like to automate copyright licenses based on how many years authors have died, but Canada does not need distinction of en.ws:Template:Pd/1923 and en.ws:Template:Pd/1996 as in the USA.--Jusjih 04:28, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I would like to introduce more automated copyright licenses: {{PD-pma-author}} for authors and {{PD-pma}} for works. The usage is to enter which years authors died, so the tag will be automatically updated in decades. For example, entering {{PD-pma-author|1950}} for an author who died in 1950 will get {{PD-old-50-author}} this year, but it will be updated to {{PD-old-60-author}} next year, then {{PD-old-70-author}} in 2021, fully automated. As most countries copyright for life + 50 years and most others copyright for life + 70 years, I have also added semi-public domain symbols to {{PD-old-50-author}}, {{PD-old-60-author}}, {{PD-old-50}}, and {{PD-old-60}}. My added 50- and 60-tags are not redundant to {{PD-Canada}} and {{PD-India}} as I see Canada and India copyrighting posthumous works differently. I have copied the American and European copyright warning from MediaWiki:PD-Canada-Author and MediaWiki:PD-Canada into 50- and 60-tags in Chinese, English, and French that I speak, but I cannot do it for any other languages, so please help if you can. Thanks.--Jusjih 03:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC) (trilingual with limited French skill)

Footnotes as tooltip

On the Oldwikisource I have installed a small script from the it.wikipedia.org which causes that the text of references/footnotes appears like a tooltip when you show on the reference number by the mouse. Should we have it here as well? -jkb- 16:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, why not? Yann 17:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, well I did. In fact as far as I can see this script is OK and has no negative effects. An example see e.g. Satiricon/1. 1902-1903 (3) - three footnotes. Just show on the footnote numbers in the text with the mouse and the text of the footnote will apear as a tooltip. -jkb- 18:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

External author links to WP's & WS's

Hi. when I make an internal link I do not care if the target page exists or not, the link is red and everybody sees it is red. External links were something else for me up to now: all such links are blue so that you don't know if the target page exists or not. Therefore, when linking from WP to Ws or WS to WP etc. I used to install only links to existing target pages. Here on the authors pages I have seen that e.g. Dmitri links to WP and WS in all cases on all author pages (I think). First I had some problems with it but now I think it has some great advantages and it is a good idea. We do not have to check the WP's and WS's if they created a page for the author X.Y. Sure it's not good to have links to non existent pages (and we should know the exact spelling of the author's name in the project), but I would gladly suggest to make it this way as we can assume that such pages will be done some times in any case. What do you think about it? -jkb- 23:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Template:Information

The template doesn't work sufficiently, see Template talk:Information, -jkb- 16:47, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Licence templates for authors

We have three licence templates for authors: {{PD-old-70-author}}, {{PD-Canada-Author}} and {{CC-BY-NC-Author}}. First, they have different formating, secondly, I think that for this reason (author page) the formating like in {{PD-old-70-author}} is the better one and fits better. I would like to change the other two ones in this way as well, so that the could output something like (PD-Canada-Author)

The works of this author are in the public domain in Canada, but may still be copyrighted in the USA and some countries in Europe. Some translations may not be in the public domain. It is the responsibility of the user to determine whether the works are in the public domain in his or her respective country.

and (CC-BY-NC-Author)

If there will be no objections I will reformate them. Regards, (unsigned by -jkb-) [1]

I support reformatting them, but eventually, I may want to add automated license tags so one can now say that an author died more than 50 years ago, then progress to 60, 70, etc.--Jusjih 02:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

So OK, done, and all the template contain now {{switch lang}} as well. I think for the purpose of the author page it is better this way (however, everything can be reverted). Jusjih, if you mean you need some templates with 60 years pma or so, so you should do it by yourself, I am not quite sure if I understand what you mean; we have 50 years now (PD-Canada conditions) and 70 years or more (PD-old), I never needed something else. Regards, -jkb- 08:32, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

P.S. After I have had a look at some author pages I must say that in some cases there is no improvement - the reason: there was no exact recommendatioon how (where) to use the template so that the template appears at many different places. My suggestion: if you want so I can revert the new versions of the two templates (thus we shall have a status quo again) and then I will create new teplates with a light different name that could be used in the future (I really prefer the new ones). Let me know. -jkb- 10:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

How about changing Template:PD-Canada similarly? We often use it near the upper right corner, but others are often on the bottom.--Jusjih 00:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the new templates. I have a slow and intermittent connection, so I only follow from time to time. Yann 14:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

@ Yann: Hi Yann, nice to hear from you again!

@ Jusjih: well sure, I like the broad formate more than the quadratic one, and it is no problem to change Template:PD-Canada or the other ones as well. But once again (see my note above from 10:19, 25 April 2010): up to now we had no rules for the usage, sometimes the template is on the top, some times in a section, some times on the bottom (which is probably the best when you use these templates - I use another system). But let us think about it. -jkb- 15:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

"For translations may apply other conditions" does not look like proper English grammar, so I just changed {{PD-Canada-Author}} and {{CC-BY-NC-Author}}.--Jusjih 03:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

New licence template system

Hi Jusjih, now I understand what you mean with automated licence templates. They are fine and I like them. Could I make some points what could be done in next days so that everybody will be able to follow all the new templates? Well

• A: the texts are mostly not listed and translated in the Wikilivres:Localization (I can do it)
• B: the templates have no documentation
• C: we would need a central help page with a short summary and general guideline (it would be e.g. important to underline the difference pma vs. posthumous - see my mistake with editio princeps above)
• D: and then we should decide (and describe) what should be done with the old template system
• E: especially: what shall we do with the {{PD-Canada}} and {{PD-Canada-Author}} template? As far as I can see the are obsolete now

I would like to help but you are very quick and it is not easy to oversight all new changes. Are some other templates to be created? If not, I will make a draft, OK?
Another point - icon on the top right: As long as we do not have the extension for imagemap it is not possible to use the icon on the top right (it doesn't work) - or, we should use an old syntax that I used on Czech Wikisource 2006/2007, but I would have to search for it. (The question is if it is really necessary - I like it, sure, but...). See my change in Template:PD-old-50-author Regards, -jkb- 11:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

To reply, I list by your points, while PD-pma means public domain after years of death, as Canada does not need American distinction of PD-1923, PD-1996, etc:

• A: I tried to merge the Chinese, English, and French texts from {{PD-Canada}} and {{PD-Canada-Author}} to {{PD-old-50}} and {{PD-old-50-author}}, about American and European copyright warning. I cannot do the same for any other languages. I edited a lot of MediaWiki pages to try localization. Please check.
• B: I am unsure how to have multilingual documentation, so I started brief English description.
• C: Yes, to underline the difference pma vs. posthumous is very important because Canada does have special rules for posthumous works and I have seen some possible Canadian copyvios that need discussions.
• D and E: {{PD-Canada}} and {{PD-Canada-Author}} should be gradually replaced with automated ones but not deleted. After massive replacement, they can still be reserved for any Canadian works and authors, like {{PD-India}} and {{PD-India-Author}} for Indian works and authors and country-specific tags on English Wikisource and Wikimedia Commons.

About some other templates to be created, I would like to add PD-old-100, 99, 85, 80, and 75 besides 50, 60, and 70, to accommodate as many global users as possible. As we have modern translations of very ancient works, more tags are useful for translation tags showing the copyright status of original and translated texts. Adding PD-old-85 is for French musical works with both World War extensions, like L'Internationale melody whose musical composer Pierre Degeyter died in 1932 while the French copyright subsists through October 2017, which is now PD-old-75. If showing an semi-PD icon on the upper-right corner is not ready, then it may be better to use more restrictive copyright tags on the top and bottom, like non-commercial, non-derivative, and PD-old-50 and 60 tags. Or is it ever possible to have a floating icon? I tried using my new tags in translation tags, but upper-right icon would make awful display, so feel free to remove upper-right icon while you try improvement.--Jusjih 03:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Short of time a bit at present. Will answer tomorrow. Regards -jkb- 22:12, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

{{PD-Canada}} and {{PD-Canada-Author}} can be moved to {{PD-old-50}} and {{PD-old-50-author}} with a bot. The tricky part is when there is "noinclude" tags in the page. If anyone want to do it, I can grant you a bot flag. My connection is quite slow and intermittent now, so it is difficult for me to do it. I have however a reserve about the new templates: I designed {{PD-Canada}} so that the copyright status appears at the top of the page. I think that is important when there is a high probability that the text is copyrighted. Any idea how to solve this? That's why it was proposed to be replaced by an icon at the bottom of the header. Yann 13:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

First, short and quick answers to Yann's problem with the icon somewhere on the top. If you would accept a sollution like in Oldwikisource with the 1923-templatze here (icon i) or in Jusjih's version of PD-old-50 here (c), so no problem, but as I write above, we need either the extension for imagemap or I will search a very old syntax I used years before. Which icon we could take - it doesn't matter. -jkb- 15:34, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this is exactly what we need. I can't install an extension for now, so it would be great if it works without. Yann 16:21, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, I have to find it. -jkb- 16:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC) - - - Found, tomorrow I will test it. -jkb- 22:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC) - - - Well, as we don't have the version MediaWiki 1.14 or later it was "interesting" to work on it but now it will work: see Template:Test1 and Template:Test2 and for the results User:-jkb-/Mud pie. All provisory pages, say tomorrow I will improve it and make new templates. -jkb- 16:25, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

@ Jusjih: well, tomorrow I will start to make something like a general view on the progress, have a look then at User:-jkb-/new licence template system. I will also try and test a bit different system: the text of the licences could be saved in a MediaWiki-Text (where it can be localized as well), the pma-template can use it better, I think. But let us see. Regards, -jkb- 17:46, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I was incredibly short of time and tomorrow I leave for some 3/4 days. The main problem with the template linking from an image is solved - see Template:Image link. The rest - i.e. the implemaentation into the license template system - will be done next week; I have a plan and I have tested it in my local wiki, so it will be done quite quickly. Have a good weekend, -jkb- 18:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Well. Jusjih, as I see you did something in the meantime. As far as I can see we ommit now some few templates that would arrange the templates we had and you created both on the top and the bottom of a page. I assume that I will change the templates {{PD-pma}} and {{PD-pma-author}} (and AFAIK {{PD-posthumous}} as well). I will arrange them approximaqtely like {{Test2}}. I will start tommorow, after I came back I had a lot to do. I think it will be fine then. So long, -jkb- 19:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello Jkb, I am very pleased with your new templates, as they answer two problems at once: to have a complete copyright information on every page, while the top of the page is not clutered with a template, but a nice icon just leads to the information at the bottom. This is also scalable, and should be used for authors' page too. I changed {{PD-pma-author}} for this effect. The text of each template may need to be reworded, but that can be done at any time. Yann 07:48, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks :-). Yes indeed, and now they works good even on old pages where they have been included on different pages (top, Works, bottom etc.) without disturbing the page. I will continue to unify them and I will make the same with the posthumois templates from Jusjih. In fact I wanted to finish this some more days before but the time is sometimes a terrible phenomenon... Regards -jkb- 08:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

I finished adding the new template to author's pages. I took this opportunity to do some much needed cleaning. There are now some cases: what wording do we use for authors with unknown dates? I think we can add works if they were published in the 1920s and 1930s, and if the author's date of death is unknown. I have a few cases in French. Yann 18:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

If we agree to present here authors with an unsure date of the death we need a separate license template, I think. When the author seems to be dead since more than 50 years (= PD Canada) so we need a "stable" i.e. not automaded template (as the text will not change in the future until we know the year of the death - then we can use pd-pma). Authors who died probably less than 50 years ago should not be presented here at all. -jkb- 09:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Now, we need to add the documentation translated in each language. Yann 08:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I started to add the documentation to pages like Template:PD-old-100, and I will prepare a page Wikilivres:License templates. Probably it will be enough when we have these pages and documentations in English. But anyway, We can make documentations for the templates {{PD-pma}} and {{PD-pma-author}} by merging a localized MediaWiki text (int:...) in each language. The same for {{PD-posthumous}}. -jkb- 08:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The page Wikilivres:License templates is created, please have a look at it. Thx, -jkb- 17:49, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I removed extra "return". That's necessary for L’Internationale, f.e. Your page is OK. For {{PD-old-100}}, we can write that it is public domain world wide. Yann 18:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

undelete

I created the template {{undelete}} that can be used on pages like Letters from the Earth, that has been deleted for temporary copyright violation. OK? -jkb- 16:34, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• In two years this template has only been used once. By setting up Wikilivres:Undelete we can list eligible pages by year or other conditions. That allows us to get rid of the template. Eclecticology 20:45, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

More template standardization

Hello,

Following the recent copyright template standardization, I would like to continue this with title templates, as to reduce the number of templates, and provide better localization. Especially, I would like to merge {{Poem}}, {{Poem-ru}}, {{TitrePoeme}}, and then all title templates. Comments? Suggestions? Yann 08:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

If you know how, then go ahead, and I will follow up with the Chinese version, when identifying which MediaWiki pages to translate.--Jusjih 02:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

NC

Hi. I saw your notice on cc-nc licenses on Dmitri's page. This is a point that I noticed time before - there are some 150 authors in the NC category, mostly Russian ones and I don't know how they have been handled etc. - probably the licences were imported from the Russian WS. However, in some cases I am not sure if this license fits the works, e.g. Vladimir Burich who dies 1994 or Sergey Petrov who died 1988 and some more ones could not know what cc-by-nc is so that they could not estimate such license. In my eyes a work that is not PD cannot be simply estimated as cc-nc if the author did not state this by himself (or his widow etc.). Probably we should check the nc categories. The problem is that we do not have something like OTRS here where the living authors at least could give us a nc authorization. I am not sure if we could make a OTRS domain (or section or whatever) in the Wikimedia OTRS (might be then together for Oldwikisource). As I have the OTRS access (limited for cs) I could be active there as well. Regards -jkb- 16:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Yes, I agree that these works need to be reviewed. Most of them were published on WL by Dmitrismirnov. A one time, I assumed that he asked the heirs, but I am not so sure now. We need to have a wider discussion anyway. Regards, Yann 16:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

All claimed copyright licenses require evidence. No evidence means no permission. I have no access to Wikimedia OTRS, but I know whom to ask for any Chinese works. Even though Wikimedia rejects non-commerical and non-derivative licenses while we accept them here, we can still depend on Wikimedia OTRS to log any evidence of copyright permission, whether commercial, derivative, or not. The Internationale (Bragg) has my effort to get copyright permission. When not acceptable on Wikisource, I post the work here. I would like to ask everyone to look at Wikilivres:Delete to check works claimed Category:PD-release. If evidenced, they should go to Wikisource, or once again, no evidence means no permission.--Jusjih 03:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, see above. So we should check all works in the categories Category:CC-BY-NC, Category:CC-BY-NC-ND, Category:CC-BY-NC-SA, Category:Authorized and Category:PD-release if they belong there i.e. if they have the permission NC or release or not. Not easy. -jkb- 09:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Facebook

Hello,

Wikilivres has now its own page on Facebook: [2]. BTW when linking the English main page the first sentence is cut. Could you look at this? It is OK in French. Feel to advertize it in your language. Yann 14:48, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Léonard Bercy

A problem with a probably unknown year of a tranlsator, see User talk:JeanFaucille and User talk:-jkb-#Léonard Bercy, say what you mean... Regards -jkb- 19:34, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

pre-1923 works

On every main page there is the policy defined by the sentences "You are welcome to publish texts here if they cannot be accepted in Wikisource. Texts that can be accepted in Wikisource should be published there". If the Wikisource subdomains do not accept pre-1923 works so they can be published on the Oldwikisource. But what should we do with works in languages that are present on Wikilivres as a language section? I would like to avoid a situation that works in one language should be published on three places: PD-old-70 on the subdomain, pre-1923 on the Oldwikisource and PD-old-50 etc. on Wikilivres. In this case (cs, de, en, es, fr, ru and zh) we should accept here pre-1923 works as well (at least, up to now I didn't find any wording about this...). Thanks for your opinions. -jkb- 09:06, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

There is no problem to publish here works published before 1923. We should just avoid publishing the works twice. Yann 11:31, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Works published before 1923 are not automatically in the public domain in Canada. For the seven "major" languages here, English, French, and Russian Wikisources accept pre-1923 works still copyright-restricted at home, but Chinese, Czech, and German Wikisources do not. I am unsure of Spanish Wikisource. If a work is unacceptable on Chinese, Czech, or German Wikisource but acceptable on Oldwikisource, it should be posted on Oldwikisource but not here. Chinese Wikisource has a well-developed policy on which site to display Chinese works. For Czech, German, and other similar Wikisources, please inform your subdomains about Oldwikisource for pre-1923 works copyright-restricted at home and this site for works copyright-restricted in the USA but acceptable here.--Jusjih 01:55, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Sure, pre 1923 is not automatically PD Canada. Let me clear the matter a bit, I have discussed this with Yann recently as well. We have more sorts of 1923 works:

• 1. pre 1923 works, author died 1959 or sooner, i.e. at least 50 years ago = PD Canada (when died 1939 or sooner so it is PD old 70 and goes to the language subdomain normally)
• 2. pre 1923 works, author died 1960 or later i.e. not even PD old 50

While the works under #2 can be accepted by Oldwikisource only but not by Wikilivres, the works under #1 can be accepted by both of them. Normally they should be posted in the language subdomains or in Oldwikisource. But works written in the seven main languages of Wikilivres, that is my proposal, should or could be accepted in Wikilivres (because they are PD Canada) where we have good working language sections (we do not have them in Oldwikisource in languages like German, Czech or Chinese); only if they are accepted in tha lanbuage subdomains so they bolng there, of course. And secondly, we can concentrate all PD old 50 works in these languages on just one place. -jkb- 14:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

You mean that pre-1923 Czech and German works whose author died more than 50 years but up to 70 years ago and still copyright-restricted in Czech Republic and Germany will be posted here. I am disinterested in where to post Czech and German works still copyright-restricted in Czech Republic and Germany, while this topic is less of a concern for Chinese works.--Jusjih 11:51, 3 April 2011 (EDT)

Maybe I should create a new section for this, but what should be done with English works, like The Ghost Patrol and Young Man Axelbrod, both published in the United States before 1923? Should these be moved to Wikisource, and should adding works like these be specifically discouraged? And how do you do move pages? Innotata 11:35, 22 December 2011 (EST)

Template New Works

Concerns the template {{NewWorks}}. What belongs there and what doesn't? I see there some pages like Bâtard, La Foi des hommes, Trop d’or etc., which are only a part of a greater work - see Jack London and the list of the French tranlations. Up to now I used to link to a whole work only (when it is completely finished), not to the subpages. Is it right or not? Thx -jkb- 10:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

These texts are not parts of a greater work. These are short stories. Hans Castorp 11:01, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Well OK (btw, it is not so important), but the lists in Jack London or La Foi des hommes, et autres histoires and other ones are iritating... Regards -jkb- 11:22, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Fair-dealing rationales for otherwise copyrighted manifestos

I would like propose requiring Canadian fair-dealing rationales for otherwise copyrighted manifestos. English Wikipedia requires fair-use rationales to explain why using copyright-restricted images contends to be American fair use in specific articles. I propose this as Arilang1234, once a blocked problem user on Chinese Wikisource and Wikiquote for copyvios, has added so many Chinese works tagged manifestos, while I doubt if they are really legal in Canada as manifestos given in "public". My proposed requirements are as follows:

1. Whenever a user posts otherwise copyrighted manifestos and tags them given in public, called "public" manifestos hereafter, the contributor must explain the rationales in detail why the works qualify for Canadian fair dealing under subsection 32.2 (1) of Canadian Copyright Act.
2. Any other user who spots "public" manifestos with missing rationales may add rationales in good faith or challenge the contribution by proposing deletion as a possible copyright violations.
3. At least two established users (including those from a Wikisource domain) other than the contributor must support the retention of "public" manifestos, or the articles will be deleted as questionable.
4. "Public" manifestos added after adopting this policy will have 5-day grace period.
5. Existing "public" manifestos with missing rationales will have 7-day grace period.
6. Users who repeatedly posts unacceptable manifestos may be blocked at the discretion of any administrators. Extreme violators may be indefinitely blocked. Proven sockpuppets used to evade legitimate blocks may also be blocked.

While our Template:Manifesto is legal in Canada, we should also require rationales to discourage users from abusing the system. Some famous manifestos like I Have a Dream can easily get rationales, but I cannot always control Arilang1234 posting too many Chinese manifestos that may not be reasonably "public", so I propose stricter policy. Many Chinese manifestos were transferred here after another administrator there supported the action to export and I agreed, then I will link to relevant Chinese Wikisource discussion as rationales. Any comments and suggestions to my proposal are welcome.--Jusjih 02:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello, I think the issue is more about language understanding than fair-dealing rationale. If someone publishes a text in a language we don't know, we can't judge if the text is acceptable here, but it under fair-dealing or any other PD rationale. I trust you to check about Chinese texts. Regarding manifestos, I have a broad interpretation of copyright law: if someone writes a text in the purpose to be freely distributed as much as possible, I think we can host it here. Regards, Yann 04:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

As Chinese Wikisource is interested in "remote deletion discussion" of Chinese texts here, I can limit my proposed policy to Chinese manifestos here, as I alone cannot effectively monitor all Chinese texts. If you have no objection, I will present my proposal to Chinese Wikisource then start more "remote copyright enforcement" from the designated Chinese Wikisource page. I mention Arilang1234 only because he has had problem contributions, but my proposal is nothing personal. Finally, the USA has the Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act, what is the Canadian equivalent?--Jusjih 23:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

When the issue is more about language understanding than fair-dealing rationale, I would like to propose a policy here to strictly limit otherwise copyrighted manifestos to English and French only on a case-by-case basis. Allowing otherwise copyrighted manifestos in any other languages poses major problems as the translated Copyright Act of Canada can possibly mislead users speaking neither English nor French. This is why I am now banning otherwise copyrighted manifestos in Chinese here after discussing with Chinese Wikisource and existing pages are being phased out. English Wikisource strictly control exporting otherwise copyrighted manifestos to this site and I support this.--Jusjih 04:51, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Financial support

Hello, I have payed the hosting of this site all by myself since the creation in 2005. I have now much less financial resources than before, and I would like to find financial support from others. So if you can help, even with only 10 US$, please do, via Paypal: Wikilivres:Site support. Thanks, Yann 15:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Dear Yann, Did you receive my modest donation sent yesterday via PayPal? Dmitrismirnov 10:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, thanks a lot Dimitri. Yann 12:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Bonjour, Combien le site coûte-t-il en tout par an ? Hans Castorp 19:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

75 US$/mois, soit 900 US$/an. Yann 01:46, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Does the number of articles affect the cost or is it just a flat fee regardless of website size?--Jusjih 02:27, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

The number of articles does not affect the cost. The traffic would affect the cost if there were a ten fold increase, but that is unlikely, as it is quite stable for the last 2 years. Obviously increasing the number of articles will increase the traffic in the long run, but at the same time, the cost of hosting is slightly decreasing over time, so the cost will rename the same. Yann 10:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Bit busy in these days. Small paypal sent two days ago, mail follows. Regards -jkb- 00:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

"75 US$/mois, soit 900 US$/an" - is quite a lot and I afraid the project could be in danger if you by some reason cannot pay. Probably the project needs some financial support, sponsors, foundation or at least the action to raise money (like Wikipedia does from time to time). I added the Russian translation to the Make a donation page as well as a small notice on the Russian Front page. Maybe it would be reasonable to do the same for all the languages? Regards Dmitrismirnov 08:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

We either need financial support, or finding a free hosting. Adding a notice on the Main Page might help. Yann 15:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

C'est une somme. Peut-être devrais-tu ajouter une boite sur le côté pour afficher le niveau de financement, comme le font certains sites. Cela permettrait de voir la viabilité du projet tout en incitant à faire des dons de temps en temps. Hans Castorp 12:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

http://www.ucoz.com/

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Link to the Wikipedia information about them. Seems to be very interesting! --Zephyrus 20:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

If we can move everything from this heavily paid site to a new free website, please let me know so I can inform Chinese Wikisource, as acceptance of Chinese "public" manifestos is indefinitely suspended due to our financial concerns.--Jusjih 01:14, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Usually free website means that you get ads. It seems there is no ad, but we have to use the uCoz software. We need to be able to use Mediawiki, not another software. I doubt we can get a reliable web hosting for free on the long term, unless we have the support of some organisation (university, etc.). Yann 01:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Copyright templates

Hello, I would like to add the following:

1. Add an icon on the top right for -NC templates, like for PD templates.
2. Create a template for anonymous works, and when the author's or translator's date of death is not known.

What do you think? Could you help please? Yann 07:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

A stub here. Is this the right thing to do? --Zephyrus 22:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I support Yann's both proposals. For the second one, please look at these English Wikisource templates for how to word the tag here and how to "automate" them based on when anonymous works were published:

1. en.ws:Template:PD-anon-1923
2. en.ws:Template:PD-anon-1996
3. en.ws:Template:PD-anon-60-1996
4. en.ws:Template:PD-anon-70-1996
5. en.ws:Template:PD-anon-80-1996

However, here for the Canadian Copyright Act, please do include PD-anon-50 and we do not need separate "1923" and "1996" tags.--Jusjih 01:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait. We already have Template:Unknown author that we can try automating it.--Jusjih 01:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Right to Left pages?

Hi. Contributors to the Hebrew Wikisource have access to thousands of proofread and edited digital texts. But it is very problematic for us to host them there. The problem: The digital texts are licensed under no-commercial use restrictions.

I recently found out that Wikilivres hosts texts such as these. It would be great if we could make them available here.

The only problem I forsee is a technical one: Can Wikilivres support pages or some sort of subsection in a RTL editing environment? I seem to recall that the software now allows designating RTL pages in a LTR wiki, but I am not sure how this is done. Or would it be possible to create an RTL subsection as at Wikitravel?

Unfortunately, using RTL tags on each LTR page is not a practical way to go about it. Does anyone here at Wikilivres know if and how this can be accomplished?

Thanks for any possible help, Dovi 20:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. After some searching, I found the following: There is a "gadget" available from preferences at the Wikimedia Commons called BiDiEditing. It allows for easy editing of RTL texts. If that could be implemented here it would pretty much solve the problem.

Are there any admins at Wikilivres who could implement that sort of thing here? Dovi 16:19, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

It would be with pleasure but I'm not very skilled with the technical side of sites. Yann is, and perhaps other admins of Wikilivres might be too, I think. --Zephyrus 19:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Should we start subdomains? If yes, Hebrew and anything right to left will have independent places, and I really prefer an independent place for Chinese.--Jusjih 02:25, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about Chinese, but there are already existing Wikimedia solutions to the RTL problems, they just need to be implemented. Can you comfortably edit texts in Chinese, for example, at the Wikimedia Commons?

In the meantime, since I last posted this question in 2010, several people at Hebrew Wikisource have asked for solutions to "no commercial use" texts, and Wikilivres is of course the ideal solution if it has the language support. I will post a note there to ask others to join in the discussion here. Dovi 17:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Editing texts in Chinese at the Wikimedia Commons is not very comfortable due to the split of traditional and simplified characters. This is not the issue of right to left.--Jusjih 15:51, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, just an update on this topic. There is a contributor to Hebrew Wikisource by the name of Or Shapira who has decided to edit some texts in Hebrew here at Wikilivres, from a multivolume work won't be in the public domain under the 70 year rule until 2016. I have given her some technical tips for doing RTL editing in an LTR environment at her talk page. Let's use this as an experiment to see how it works out. Dovi 05:44, 13 July 2011 (EDT)