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Pre-2012 topics

Works under Category:PD-release

  • Works under Category:PD-release should be either sent to Wikisource if with evidence of licensing or deleted if no licensing evidence:
  1. Discours de Hugo Chavez à la 61ème assemblée générale de l’ONU
  2. Days of War, Nights of Love
  3. Le Coran
  4. Letter to a Digne official, about his work
  5. Steps Toward Inner Peace
  6. The Man Who Planted Trees
  7. Étapes vers la paix intérieure
  8. Image:Albert Camus.jpg is already on Wikimedia Commons. As we can readily display Commons images, I see no more need of keeping it. --Jusjih 03:51, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
The problem is in the proof... I am pretty certain for texts 4, 5, 6, 7 above, without having a definitive proof, and I made lengthy research about le Coran. Yann 12:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
    • I'm prepared to delete the Giono material since it has already been included in both French and English Wikisource. This includes the "(film)" where the basis for this is unclear. I believe the film was made after his death. Eclecticology 14:57, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
    • I'm inclined to keep the Camus image. I agree that we should not become a general repository of images that can go on Commons, but a single photo to illustrate an author page should be within acceptable parameteers. Eclecticology 14:57, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
    • The Chavez speech is already on the Spanish and English Wikisources. In the absence of a good reason why it can't be on French Wikisource, it will remain here only for the next month. Eclecticology 15:10, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
    • I would keep the Kornilov material on a PD-Canada basis. A release by the author would be better only if it can be supported by documentation. Eclecticology 15:32, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
    • Days of War ... is already in Wikisource, and can be deleted here. Eclecticology 15:52, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
    • There are a lot of mixed messages about Le Coran, and French Wikisource merely links back here. I would despair of getting any clear answer about this. I would keep it for now, and will give further thought to what might be a suitable licence. Eclecticology 16:32, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
    • The Peace Pilgrim items are already on the English and French Wikisourcs, and thus will be deleted. Eclecticology 16:42, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

The above material has been listed on this page for some considerable time. I will wait for a month before taking any action. Eclecticology 16:42, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Articles issus de Wikipedia, dans Category:Copied from Wikipedia

Alsace-Lorraine, Alsace, Haute-Alsace, Basse-Alsace

Bonjour, Faut-il garder les articles issus de Wikipedia ? Je n'ai pas un avis très clair sur la question. Donnez votre avis. Yann 12:25, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

Une première question : est-il permis de faire paraître sur Wikilivres des traductions d'articles allophones qui n'ont jamais été traduits pour Wikipédia et ne le seront sans doute jamais, vu la façon dont on traite là-bas les traducteurs ? À titre d'exemple nous avons la Bataille de Bomboná que Google place en tête car les francophones n'ont rien d'autre dans leur langue. Est-il permis de faire paraître une traduction complète correspondant à un article dont Wikipédia ne présente qu'une ébauche ridicule comme François Henri de la Motte (à opposer à l'avorton François Henri de la Motte. Merci ? Le vieux Gustave 15:20, 5 June 2011 (EDT)
J'ai ajouté depuis Blocus de La Rochelle et Pierre Dugac dont on avait demandé en vain une traduction sur le Bistro de Wikipédia et Procyon gloveralleni qui a sur la Wikipédia francophone un article ridicule et qui contredit toutes les autres wikipédias], mais que je ne m'aventure pas à changer de peur de m'attirer une nouvelle fois les clameurs des Béotiens. Le vieux Gustave 15:28, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
Utiliser Wikilivres comme substitut à Wikipédia ne me paraît pas une bonne idée. En revanche, des articles encyclopédiques, avec des auteurs identifiés, et qui ne pourraient pas être publiés sur Wikipédia à cause des critères d’admission, peut-être. Marc 18:15, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
Examinons des cas précis : tous les articles que j'ai traduits et publiés sur Wikilivres ou bien n'ont aucun équivalent sur Wikipédia, ou bien sont réduits à de brèves ébauches laissées à l'abandon. Pierre Dugac, par exemple, n'a aucune chance de trouver un traducteur : c'est de l'allemand et un crétin pourrait, si par miracle on traduisait, exiger des références (car l'original n'en a pas) au lieu de chercher lui-même : ce que j'ai fait d'ailleurs, maintenant c'est sourcé. Nonie Darwish que j'ai commencé à traduire de l'espagnol a été créé par quelqu'un qui a depuis quitté Wikipédia et l'article, d'ailleurs mutilé, agonise etc.

Vous voyez qu'il n'est nullement question de concurrencer Wikipédia mais d'apporter des informations utiles là où il n'y a rien. Pour la Traduction automatique je me suis aperçu que les neutralisateurs sont aux aguets ; dans un domaine en évolution rapide, une source écrite datant de vingt ans leur semble tout à fait légitime, mais constater qu'aucun logiciel ne peut s'en tirer pour traduire en anglais : « Il bondit sur la sentinelle et la terrasse » (chacun peut faire le test), c'est du travail inédit. Inutile de discuter avec des gens qui reconnaissent tout ignorer du problème mais exigent que tout soit fait sous leur contrôle. Le vieux Gustave 07:07, 9 June 2011 (EDT)

Je me permets à présent de supprimer le bandeau puisque j'ai ajouté depuis d'autres articles issus des Wikipédias allophones et ignorés ou agonisants sur la nôtre et que personne n'a protesté. Le vieux Gustave 11:58, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

Ben voyons. Quand je lis Alsace-Lorraine, j’ai envie de supprimer tous tes articles… C’est une bibliothèque ici, pas un endroit pour régler ses comptes. Je pense que tu te trompes de site, et devrais aller te venger ailleurs. Marc 05:26, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
Je vous fais remarquer que les articles que j'ai traduits ou bien ne figurent pas sur Wikipédia ou bien ne s'y trouvent que sous la forme d'ébauches informes et inexactes ; comparez Albert Döderlein et Albert Döderlein et dites-moi ce qu'on trouve à reprocher au premier. Pour l'Alsace-Lorraine il y a un gros travail à fournir mais je suis vieux et fatigué et le travail de wikification est pénible ; à mon âge l'informatique est difficile à maîtriser mais ce qui devrait résulter serait très différent. Je comptais, grâce à la libéralité de la loi canadienne, publier des livres tombés en Nouvelle-France dans le domaine public comme L'Alsace, la Lorraine et la Paix d'Émile Hinzelin, Alsace et Lorraine au dessus des passions d'Andrée Viollis, les Souvenirs du prince de Hohenlohe etc. Si vous n'êtes pas d'accord, j'irai voir ailleurs. Cordialement. Le vieux Gustave 06:03, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
Ce n’est évidemment pas le fait de publier des livres que je trouve problématique, mais le fait d’importer des conflits qui n’ont pas vraiment leur place ici. Encore, si tu t’en tenais à rédiger ces articles : la ligne éditoriale de wikilivres n’est pas très claire là-dessus et cela pourrait passer ; mais là, cette page de discussion est très claire. Pourrais-tu songer un peu qu’il y a d’autres contributeurs ici, et qu’ils n’ont pas envie de voir ce projet dégradé par des disputes qui ne les concernent pas ? Marc 06:15, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
Je reconnais que je m'étais énervé : voir insulter impunément les Alsaciens m'était insupportable ; mais je me contenterai, si vous le voulez, d'envoyer des articles sans commentaires. Vous constaterez que, comme mes traductions n'ont la plupart du temps pas d'équivalent sur Wikipédia, même à l'état d'ébauche, celui qui demandera sur Google des renseignements concernant Pedro León Torres, Franciszek Lilius, Simone Téry, Wincenty Lilius, Timothy Freke, Blocus de La Rochelle, Numerius Negidius, François Henri de la Motte, Bataille de Bomboná, Pierre Dugac… trouvera donc Wikilivres en première page et souvent en tête.

Avec mes excuses, je suis vieux et en mauvaise santé. J'essaie tout de même d'entretenir mon cerveau et traduire reste la seule façon de le faire. Cordialement. Le vieux Gustave 07:35, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
Bonjour. Quel est le problème avec les articles créés par Gustave ? Ils me semblent de plutôt bonne qualité. Je ne pense pas qu'ils violent la licence de Wikipédia ni celle de Wikilivres. Je pense donc que leur présence ici ne peut que profiter à tous. Script 13:14, 5 September 2011 (EDT)

Je partage les doutes exprimés par Yann et Marc. L'objectif ici n'est pas de reproduire ou traduire les textes de Wikipédia de n'importe quelle langue. Ce n'est pas notre place de se mêler ou prendre parti sur les textes controversés. Les articles de Wikipédia ne sont jamais si stables qu'on peut se fier du texte; accepter ici des articles qui ne sont que des opinions alternatives du contributeur. En ce qui concerne les articles traduits du Catholic Encyclopedia, ces volumes de base étaient édités avant 1923 et les traductions pourraient bien aller dans le Wikisource français. La traduction des volumes supplémentaires devrait être condsidérée à part. Eclecticology 19:06, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

  • Deleted. But I may have missed some of these that were not in the category. Eclecticology 21:19, 28 June 2012 (EDT)

La Ferme des animaux - I

This is a redirect to a deleted page. This nomination also includes

File:Yes check.svg Marc 07:33, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

Паттерны проектирования

2012 Topics

琉球全圖

It has unclear source or authorship to verify the Chinese text as having been published elsewhere. If it is indeed old enough, it would belong to Chinese Wikisource.--Jusjih 16:11, 15 May 2012 (EDT)

Template:Unicode

This appers redundant since the site already uses Unicode. Eclecticology 03:19, 16 May 2012 (EDT)

Baudelaire/Kline, NC licences

The following pages:

are all poems of Charles Baudelaire that were not a part of The Flowers of Evil, translated by A. S. Kline. The other poems by Baudelaire on this site were from Flowers of Evil but alternative translations in the Canadian public domain were found as replacements. Alternative, public domain translations to these three works would be preferred to deletion. Eclecticology 14:19, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

La Révolte du pronétariat

License CC-BY-NC-ND. Only the Introduction was copied, and there is no risk that the original is not available. Yann 10:21, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

  • I'll go along with this. Eclecticology 18:24, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
    • Deleted Yann 08:12, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

Volcatius Sedigitus

An orphan and dead-end page with no sources. Eclecticology 13:59, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

Works by Brennan Chadwick Emerson

These are posted in effect under a NC licence. There is no evidence of prior publication. Eclecticology 14:24, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

  • Delete both "Bloodless God" is on Amazon. It was published by CreateSpace, a vanity publisher. The other one is not on Amazon.--Poetlister 14:14, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

The Song of Everlasting Sorrow

An NC licence. A Wiki version exists at http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Song_of_Everlasting_Regret . There may also be a pre-1923 Arthur Waley translation. Eclecticology 14:52, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

  • This translation looks much better than the WS one (though I claim no expertise in Chinese). It was uploaded by Dmitrismirnov. Can we get him to see if the author will grant another licence?--Poetlister 14:21, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

God Defend New Zealand - Maori Version

Unacceptable non-commercial licence. Eclecticology 13:23, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

  • Delete The link purporting to explain the copyright situation is broken; we do not know if even the NC licence is valid.--Poetlister 14:25, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

Template:Era

This is an unused template that has been around for the last couple years. There is no explanation of how or where it would be used. Eclecticology 17:24, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

Also for Template:ProperNoun. Eclecticology 20:39, 15 June 2012 (EDT)
  • Delete both. Template:Era seems to be a way to generate BC in umpteen different languages; Template:ProperNoun just underlines a word.--Poetlister 17:28, 18 June 2012 (EDT)

Wikilivres:Authors in the English section

This page is hopelessly out of date. This is also the case for most of the pages of this kind with the notable exception of Russian. Unless such pages are diligently maintained they do not serve their purpose. Eclecticology 23:06, 26 June 2012 (EDT)

Well, I would not delete the page because it is out of date. It is like burning down the house because it needs repairs. Why not a warning inviting people to update it? Yann 15:33, 27 June 2012 (EDT)
    • No further action being taken at this time, but this could be reviewed if nothing is done. Eclecticology 23:00, 4 October 2012 (EDT)

Natalya Trauberg

All pagess of this translator were successfully exported and can be deleted from here:

Из Г. К. Честертона

Dmitrismirnov 03:18, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

Victor Lunin

All works of this translator (under CC-BY-NC) were successfully exported and can be deleted from here:

Из Перси Биши Шелли ====

Dmitrismirnov 04:30, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

A. S. Kline translations from Russian

All these were successfully moved to other site and can be deleted from here:

Aleksandr Pushkin (1799 — 1837)

Mikhail Lermontov (1814 — 1841)

Osip Mandelstam (1891 — 1938)

Moved to http://wikilivres.ru/Осип_Эмильевич_Мандельштам

Marina Tsvetaeva (1892 — 1941)

--Dmitrismirnov 12:18, 29 June 2012 (EDT)

Vadim Kozovoi

This content acceptable only under NC licence was exported to other site and can be deleted from here:

Из Стефана Малларме (1842 — 1898)

Из Лотреамона (1846 — 1870)

Из Артюра Рембо (1854 — 1891)

Из Поля Валери (1871 — 1945)

--Dmitrismirnov 06:57, 30 June 2012 (EDT)

Elena Suritz

These pages were exported to other site and can be deleted from here:

Dmitrismirnov 07:11, 30 June 2012 (EDT)

Жив-человек (Честертон)

All pages in Category:Жив-человек (Честертон) to be deleted from here -- Dmitrismirnov 07:13, 3 July 2012 (EDT)

Sir Gawain and the Green Knight

This applies to the modern versions only. They are here under a NC licence, though there should certainly be completely free versions available. The original Middle English is clearly in the public domain. Eclecticology 13:41, 30 June 2012 (EDT)

There is this; it was published in 1900 and the translator died in 1928 so it is certainly out of copyright.--Poetlister 08:28, 8 July 2012 (EDT)
A. S. Kline, the translator of the Wikilivres text, is obviously alive so the text is not in the PD but only in the NC licence, in contrary to this. -jkb- 17:46, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
I had hoped someone would contribute a PD version of the modern text, but it didn’t happen. The Kline version has been deleted. Eclecticology 19:14, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

Works of Florent Latrive

Both of these use an unacceptable NC licence. Eclecticology 16:50, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

Le Mannequin

This substantial but incomplete assortment of pages is already at http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Le_Mannequin where it is less incomplete. Eclecticology 21:06, 7 October 2012 (EDT)

Delete Yann 14:10, 11 November 2012 (EST)
Delete to avoid duplication.--Poetlister 17:38, 17 November 2012 (EST)

Constitution of Brazil

The translator is not identified, and this is under an NC-ND licence. Eclecticology 14:21, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

  • Deleted.--Jusjih 07:18, 25 December 2012 (EST)

Post-2012 topics

Alcools (transl. A. S. Kline)

Uses an NC licence. If someone finds a PD version or one with an acceptable licence, I would prefer a replacement. Eclecticology 00:35, 5 November 2012 (EST)

  • These pages have been blanked. Eclecticology 13:45, 8 January 2013 (EST)

The Heroides

This is another NC Kline translation. Because the original work is ancient, I’m sure that acceptable translations of the text are available. To maintain the structure I propose that the pages be blanked. Eclecticology 15:29, 5 November 2012 (EST)

Wittgenstein translations into French

These partial translations have deprecated NC licences.

Eclecticology 03:00, 1 December 2012 (EST)

As it is translated by a local user, the license can be changed. Yann 01:08, 14 January 2013 (EST)
That user-translator hasn’t been seen in three years. I would not consider to change that licence for him. Eclecticology 05:06, 14 January 2013 (EST)
Deleted, except for landing page of Remarques Eclecticology 19:52, 5 March 2013 (EST)

The Odes

The version we have has a non-commercial licence. Truly free ones are available, so I’m really inclined to blank the pages. Eclecticology 18:07, 5 December 2012 (EST)

We can get rid of them. Here is a PD version; the translator died in 1869.[1]--Poetlister 07:14, 29 December 2012 (EST)
Blanked, leaving leaving the basic structure in case anyone feels inclined to add a PD version. Eclecticology 05:17, 28 January 2013 (EST)

to be deleted

It was already moved to wikilivres.ru Dmitrismirnov 13:14, 7 January 2013 (EST)

File:Sergei Rachmaninoff - Concerto 1 in F minor, 2nd movement.ogg

Accidentally uploaded this work which I thought was deleted on Commons, but actually it was reuploaded under another name and the old name was deleted. It's pre-1923 and first published in Russia so they can host it there. Dcoetzee 12:47, 13 January 2013 (EST)

Category:Contents

Created this while building the category structure, but found out there's already a Category:Top, so please delete it. Dcoetzee 11:56, 14 January 2013 (EST)

File:Édouard Vuillard - Les Couturières.jpg

Accidentally uploaded this one without noticing that since it was nominated for deletion on Commons someone found a pre-1923 date for it, so that makes it PD in the US and its source country. Restored on Commons, no longer needs to be here. Dcoetzee 10:57, 15 January 2013 (EST)

Translations by Mikhail Urnov

These are under a non-commercial licence, and no longer acceptable. Eclecticology 14:38, 26 January 2013 (EST)

The Bestiary: or Orpheus’s Procession

This is under a non-commercial licence, and no longer acceptable. The original French, and the illustrations are clearly in the public domain. I have not found PD versions of the English verses, but since they are mostly quatrains it is entirely conceivable that PD versions of these may have been appeared in magazines shortly after the French versions appeared. Eclecticology 21:39, 28 January 2013 (EST)

File:Oleg Prokofiev.jpg

Non-commercial licence. Eclecticology 22:42, 31 January 2013 (EST)

Silvio Gesell : un prédécesseur de Keynes

Non-commercial licence. Eclecticology 03:53, 17 February 2013 (EST)

Hacktivismo Declaration

Non-commercial licence. Eclecticology 04:12, 17 February 2013 (EST)

I can't imagine these people allowing commercial use!-Poetlister 09:16, 15 March 2013 (AKDT)

The dotCommunist Manifesto: How Culture Became Property and What We're Going to Do About It

Non-commercial licence. Eclecticology 04:54, 17 February 2013 (EST)

I can't imagine these people allowing commercial use!-Poetlister 09:19, 15 March 2013 (AKDT)

Описание Формозы

Non-commercial licence. Eclecticology 05:48, 25 February 2013 (EST)

Art indien

Is it too encyclopedic to be here?--Jusjih 22:36, 4 January 2015 (PST)

Being too encyclopedic (whatever that means) should not in itself be a reason for deletion. A more certain reason for deleting this material is that it is his own original work. He hasn't done anything here since 2011, and I think that his Art indien has also been on other sites, including Wikibooks. Eclecticology 01:05, 6 January 2015 (PST)
And I can't see a copyright notice, though of course if it's been on Wikibooks it must be under an acceptable licence.--Poetlister 09:37, 1 March 2015 (PST)

Tangent

No derivatives licence is no longer acceptable. Eclecticology 10:32, 23 April 2015 (PDT)

Deleted And posted to Wikilivres.ru. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:54, 28 April 2015 (PDT)

GNU通用公共许可证

No derivative licences are no longer acceptable. This instance is particularly anomalous. A translation is a deriative work, and as such is a copyright infringement. Eclecticology 10:43, 23 April 2015 (PDT)

Deleted This is pretty straight-forward. As that page says, "Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed." I'm sure the FSF would like Chinese readers to be able to understand their perspective but it would have to be through an official translation or simple quotation and explanation. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:16, 23 April 2015 (PDT)

赵连海的无罪自辩词

No derivative licences are no longer acceptable. Eclecticology 10:52, 23 April 2015 (PDT)

Deleted along with its talk page as the claimed copyright permission cannot be verified.--Jusjih 15:55, 26 May 2015 (PDT)

(I want...) The Earth Plus 5%

No derivative licences are no longer acceptable. Eclecticology 11:09, 23 April 2015 (PDT)

Deleted And moved to Wikilivres.ru. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:24, 23 April 2015 (PDT)

Domitori/Ksexp

NC licence no longer acceptable. This is also stated to be incomplete, and hasn't been worked on since 2009. Eclecticology 17:30, 29 April 2015 (PDT)

Deleted. Anyway, it seemed rather incoherent so I doubt that it is worth having.--Poetlister 03:44, 17 May 2015 (PDT)
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